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Hi All

 

I need some advise

For probably the past 4-6 months, we have actively search for Financial jobs back in the US.

We have paid specialists to update Resume and LinkedIn profiles. Have got expert advise on Cover Letters and how / where to apply

 

Have connected to 100's of recruiters. Applied 20+ jobs per week. With very little response or feedback.

 

Now and then a recruiter will reply with hopefulness (1 out of every 100 replies back)

Just to later state that the market is difficult and Long US work history is the main lack.

 

My husband is a Chartered Accountant, with 16+ years of International and Multinational experience (he currently manages 26 African and Middle Eastern countries with great success), but it seems that the US market is just not interested.

 

It just seems that his resume doesn't even land on a actual persons table, that it gets thrown out by computer systems.

 

I'm at the point of giving up and not trying to get back to US anymore.

 

The option to do his CPA is not a present current option- you need to work for 2 years under another CPA before you could be licensed (STILL you need a job to do that)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Is it obvious from the applications that you are not currently in the US? (eg is there a US or SA phone number on the application?)

 

Are you focusing on applying in a particular area (geographic)?

 

And yes a lot of big companies filter appications using computers so you need to tailor each application to ensure its got the right keywords. It really is easier to apply - and possibly make contacts that bypass the computers - from the US. This is how my husband actually got his foot in the door, by being able to ensure that a human read his resume.

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We made sure that we kept a US number- as we did think that might be an issue. Resume, Cover Letter and all Applications are completed with it.

 

We are not focusing on one area (do you think that might be an issue?) we are actually all over the place. There as just that little jobs in one specific Metro, that we are really just looking to get a foot in the door, anywhere. (at first we only focused on

3-4 Geographical areas, but as time passed we thought that that was the issue- casted the net wider.)

 

Even the few recruiters (Humans;)) that actually read his resume, were all super impressed, and then just fades away. I understand that they get paid on placements, and that its harder to "sell'' the foreigner, that they would rather pass on the ''sure'' candidate.

 

We can't take the risk again to move over without security of a job (with the previous move we had a contract in place, but it was temp, and at the end even being in US and seeing recruiters etc eye to eye- nothing came of that as well!- 6 months there and he had one interview)

 

its between a rock and a hard place, as one suggested to apply for ''lower'' jobs- but everyone can ''see'' through that- stepping stone, move on; his level jobs are non responsive not even to raise the question of anything higher!

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I feel your pain as I went through the exact same drama when I arrived in the US. I am also a CA(SA), registered in Australia as well, with decades of experience and couldn't generate any interest from recruiters or employers. In the end I had to settle for a junior type of job to get by and pay the bills. It sucks, there is no other way to put it.

 

I don't know why this is but my feeling is that ageism might have something to do with it. The lack of US experience didn't help my cause either and I also didn't have a network to tap into.

 

I wish I could give you advice, but all I have to share is my own bad experience. Good luck with your search - sounds like a rocky road ahead for you.

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My husband did take a step back but is working his way up now. I don't really know what to suggest other than what you've done, for us we took the leap of faith partly because we had a nice cushion to be able to, but more importantly we felt we needed to do it for our kids. I realize if you don't have much of a safety net it can be a much scarier option to take that leap.

 

Also quite frankly a lot of the more senior positions never get advertised - the same is true in SA of course. Head hunters know the market and people in it and approach them before ads are needed, so that's also an issue for trying for more senior jobs.

 

Area may be a factor. I know the Bay Area is booming for jobs, not sure where else is.

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[at] Superkruz

 

Its ridiculous, all the recruiters that are decent enough to reply, have the same to say: impressive resume and experience, but the lack of Enough US experience put you at the bottom of the pile. END

 

I'm at the point of focusing on other parts of the world. Or even just suck it up in SA! At least here you are rewarded and recognized for the education and experience you bring to the table!

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Thanks guys

 

Just had to air

 

Taking a step back is no issue- we are all hard workers and know that it would be for the greater good. But its getting that step that's the issue.

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I hear your frustration - took me months back in 2009 - when the economy was worse than it is now. Having living expenses but no income is hard, but I figured I HAD to be here to land a role - I had tried remotely without luck.

 

Do you make it clear in your cover letter or resume that you have full work authorization for the US - PR holder?.

 

What about TEMP jobs - obviously not ideal in the long-term, but it may be much easier to get a foot in the door - as there is no long-term commitment from the company. e.g. Robert Half are the national leaders in finance/accounting temps, contracts to hire etc. (You may have contacted them already) https://www.roberthalf.com/accountemps/accounting-jobs-search

 

Good luck

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[at] Superkruz

 

Or even just suck it up in SA! At least here you are rewarded and recognized for the education and experience you bring to the table!

Well, sometimes. Certain people of a certain skin colour passed over for less experienced people to meet quotas may not always agree with you.

 

I know some South Africans who have great success getting good jobs when they move. I'm not sure what the difference necessarily is, sometimes luck I guess. But being on the ground you make contacts, you meet people. This is how my husband got a HR person to actually read his resume. You can't meet people when you live half a world away, to underline what malamute said.

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I will look into the Robert Half Temp situation

 

Will maybe also narrow down some Geographical areas to concentrate on

 

 

Well, sometimes. Certain people of a certain skin colour passed over for less experienced people to meet quotas may not always agree with you.

I know some South Africans who have great success getting good jobs when they move. I'm not sure what the difference necessarily is, sometimes luck I guess. But being on the ground you make contacts, you meet people. This is how my husband got a HR person to actually read his resume. You can't meet people when you live half a world away, to underline what malamute said.

 

 

Well, sometimes. Certain people of a certain skin colour passed over for less experienced people to meet quotas may not always agree with you.

I know some South Africans who have great success getting good jobs when they move. I'm not sure what the difference necessarily is, sometimes luck I guess. But being on the ground you make contacts, you meet people. This is how my husband got a HR person to actually read his resume. You can't meet people when you live half a world away, to underline what malamute said.

 

Being of That skin colour you are referring too ;), I know what you mean, but I sometimes wonder what the difference are: being passed over because of skin colour or passed over / not considered because of nationality

Much of a muchness to me.

 

But yes, though we know and are willing to take a step back, I don't know if its worth it to start at the bottom. And even if it is, we have to take into consideration our kid's age, he will enter high school soon, giving us 5years to safe up for US College- while we can afford to pay for Tertiary education in SA (and even possibly some options oversea), I don't necessarily think that we will have the same financial freedom in US. Who's to loose out then.

 

Its complicated. I don't think there's any right or wrong answers here. I think its all about which opportunities crosses your road at which given time- coming down to luck ;)

 

We will continue to search for another month or two, but then we will have to make a decision. As you can't live in limbo for ever. Its not good for anyone's mental health:)

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, I can see it's tough, and absolutely everyone has different circumstances at a different time. For us, our kids were always going to go to university overseas, and we knew once that happened chances of them returning to SA would be small, so very different considerations to you.

 

You should also be aware that US college is often not as expensive as the headlines make you think, a state school as resident and student funding (which you are eligible for as a green card holder) do make it a lot more affordable, but no getting away from the fact that it's a lot more than SA. Of course if you're earning $$ that also makes a difference. And you're saving by not paying school fees before that at public schools here. I guess it's also dependent on your own outlook. For me personally I wouldn't think twice about sacrificing holidays or driving a cheaper car or whatever to pay for my kids education in the best place I can. (And of course you will know this, but like jobs, you also need to watch what SA university or course you send them to as some of them, I'm sure you know, are more difficult for certain kids to get into than others, as UCT itself explains here. http://www.uct.ac.za/dailynews/?id=8735 There was a big stink in Cape Town a few years ago when one kid was rejected from UCT medicine despite another girl in her same grade *at her same school* with an average something like 10-15% less was accepted.)

 

Anyway, good luck with it all, hope you manage to find something from SA though I unfortunately still think it's against the odds that you will. Are you exploring other emigration options too?

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No immediate consideration for any other countries to immigrate to-no fondness towards our down under partners ?. And if we cant secure jobs in US it would probably be same for CA? Probably even worst with the massive enquiries they get now with the Republican presidencial candidate?

Would love to move back to Europe, but no immediate opportunities right now

 

It would just be a huge waste to Not use the opportunity that was given to us.

 

Not quiting just yet.

 

Other option would be to re apply for reentry permits next year to give us more breathing space

 

Your observation is probably true(needing to be In US to secure a job), but I cant see us going through that again- didnt work first time, cant see what could be different this time

 

Maybe a visit to the US for a few weeks, face to face with some recruiters or company HR's would be the next step?

 

Thank you anyways for the positive responses

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No immediate consideration for any other countries to immigrate to-no fondness towards our down under partners . And if we cant secure jobs in US it would probably be same for CA? Probably even worst with the massive enquiries they get now with the Republican presidencial candidate

Would love to move back to Europe, but no immediate opportunities right now

It would just be a huge waste to Not use the opportunity that was given to us.

Not quiting just yet.

Other option would be to re apply for reentry permits next year to give us more breathing space

Your observation is probably true(needing to be In US to secure a job), but I cant see us going through that again- didnt work first time, cant see what could be different this time

Maybe a visit to the US for a few weeks, face to face with some recruiters or company HR's would be the next step?

Thank you anyways for the positive responses

Remind me, where were you the first time?

A re-entry permit would be a good way to keep your options open.

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Greenwich / Stamford CT.

Yah I know- probably one of the most expensive parts?.

But that was were hubby got the contract to work for. Had to keep work prospects in NYC inmind and transport into the city etc. schools were an issue (most kids went to private schools- which we obviously couldnt afford), that forced us into expensive neighborhoods to have decent public options. You either caugh up home/rent prices or school fees it seems.

We originally didnt want to look at west coast etc. Have a very sick parent and wanted to be 1 flight back to Sa. Now we are looking into West coast too.

We do have re entries valid until late 2017. If push comes to it we will re apply. have heard 2nd time is still possible but near to impossible a 3rd time.

But it does give us some extra time.

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The thing with CT/NY, is that there are a lot of jobs in the finance sector, but there are also a huge amount of candidates - the area is a magnet for financial people and a lot of those come from Ivy League etc schools so it's really hard to break in. I do know a number of South Africans with good jobs in the area, mostly in banking, but almost every single one of them was a transfer in the same company from SA (or in some cases from London) and the couple I know that weren't have got graduate degrees from Columbia and Chicago and got recruited out of graduate school.

 

You'll always pay more for better school areas but the affordability vs salaries can vary widely. We looked at Denver for example, where houses in the best school district are way cheaper than you'd find in a major northeast or west coast city. Salaries are less too but not to the same extent.

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