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Should A Christian Celebrate Halloween?

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The modern day American celebration of Halloween is essentially a mixture of Samhain, All Saints day (All Hallows Eve), All Souls day and numerous customs / traditions / myths from European and African immigrants. Throw in the commercialization that goes with every modern American holiday and you have Halloween. Unfortunately, the emphasis on this commercialized holiday has shifted from the little cowboys and Indians to a much more evil and pointed attraction to all things hideous and pagan. Satan has undoubtedly made this commercialized holiday into something that has subtly become focused on evil, wickedness, darkness, witchcraft, occultism, death, the demonic, etc.

 

So, should a Christian celebrate Halloween? Is there anything evil about a Christian dressing up as a princess or cowboy and going around the block asking for candy? Of course not. Are there things about Halloween that are anti-Christian and should be avoided? Absolutely!

 

The Bible does not speak at all about Halloween, but it does give us some principles on which we can make a decision. In the Old Testament witchcraft was a crime punishable by death. The New Testament teaching about the occult is clear. Sorcery is violently opposed to Christianity. Paul refused to allow even good statements to come from a demon-influenced person when a fortune-telling girl lost her demon powers when the evil spirit was cast out by him. Acts 19 shows new converts who have abruptly broken with their former occultism by confessing, showing their evil deeds, bringing their magic paraphernalia and burning it before everyone.

 

Here are perhaps some additional questions to ask oneself:

  • If the Christian's lifelong call after salvation is that of sanctification, then how does the celebration of Halloween (given its evil character) fit into that mission? How does it glorify God?
  • Will you ever find a Satanist or Atheist put up a nativity scene and celebrate the true meaning of Christmas? Then what is the business of a Christian in setting up scene at his/her house for a celebration that seems inclusive of what is evil / demonic, etc.? If Satanists are able to discern to stay away from something that carries a message that they disagree with, then why do so many Christians seem to embrace something that flies directly in the face of what the Bible teaches?
  • Is there a risk that my impressionable little children may interpret my approval for them to partake in trick and treating as my silent parental consent of something that may seem borderline or outright evil / wicked / etc.? Do I honestly think that I can control their decisions later in life that may be borne from such an impression? For example, when they get confronted under peer pressure to experiment with "innocent" games of a dark nature such as the Ouija board, "innocent" experimentation with drugs, witchcraft, meditation, etc.... ?

 

Below are some specific verses from the Bible that may also be relevant:

  • 3 John 1 : 11 Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good.
  • Ephesians 5 : 8-12 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.
  • 1 Peter 5 : 8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

 

Everyone makes his/her own decision. For my wife and I, I imagine we will be home with all the lights switched on and a basket outside our front door that will contain candy and tracts. It is not everyday that one gets the opportunity of children coming to one's front door with whom to share the gospel. Happy tracting and treating to anyone who may be like minded! :-)

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Hahaha! I love how you casually lump Satanists and Atheists into the same category for no rational reason.

Do you know who else doesn't erect nativity scenes and celebrate the "true meaning" of Christmas? Over a million Pagans whose December 24th celebration of the winter solstice was co-opted by Christians to coincide with their far older celebrations during their violent and bloody mass forced conversions to Christianity. Then you have the millions of Sikhs. Nearly a billion Hindus. Millions of Jews. Over a billion Muslims and hundreds of millions of Buddhists.

But hey, don't mind them, just go ahead and persecute the minorities why don't ya! Christians have excelled at it for over a thousand years and Texans have been doing it for over a century. Enjoy terrorizing the neighborhood kids this Halloween with your equally scary and mythical gospels. Just be sure to watch out for the eggs and and toilet paper this year ;-)

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I have to be honest I didn't read the whole post, just the intro and end ...

 

My own 2c .... is that anyone worried that a kid dressed up as a goblin or witch will somehow bring evil into a house (which I have heard some people say) hasn't done a very good job of teaching their kids right from wrong/basic decency... it comes from inside, not from dressing up!!! Our neighborhood is HUGE on Halloween and what fun it is. Everyone collects far too much candy, and the excess is donated to various organizations (sent to US military overseas, children's homes, shelters for abused families, etc).

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Hahaha! I love how you casually lump Satanists and Atheists into the same category for no rational reason.

Do you know who else doesn't erect nativity scenes and celebrate the "true meaning" of Christmas? Over a million Pagans whose December 24th celebration of the winter solstice was co-opted by Christians to coincide with their far older celebrations during their violent and bloody mass forced conversions to Christianity. Then you have the millions of Sikhs. Nearly a billion Hindus. Millions of Jews. Over a billion Muslims and hundreds of millions of Buddhists.

But hey, don't mind them, just go ahead and persecute the minorities why don't ya! Christians have excelled at it for over a thousand years and Texans have been doing it for over a century. Enjoy terrorizing the neighborhood kids this Halloween with your equally scary and mythical gospels. Just be sure to watch out for the eggs and and toilet paper this year ;-)

 

 

Given your objections, I assume you're probably an atheist?

You're right, many more than the two groups cited won't erect nativity scenes either. I guess I should have used a word such as, 'unbelievers', to be more general and inclusive.

 

I really don't care what anyone wants to accuse Christians (or even Texans for that matter) of. It is wrong to force anyone to accept a belief against their will. Both God and His Word (the Bible) do not preach anything even remotely like that. In fact, just the opposite, namely that God will always respect a person's choice, whether for Him or against Him (those being the only two choices concerning God anyway). Anyone claiming to be a Christian and who forces their beliefs onto someone else, whether by force or otherwise, is not a true Bible believing Christian - guaranteed.

 

I can assure you furthermore there's nothing "mystical" about the gospel of Jesus Christ. It embodies the perfect solution to mankind's dilemma of sin before a most holy and righteous God. No other religion on earth has it where their God loved His people so much that He would sacrifice His only Son that whomever believes in His Son may be freed from condemnation, and instead enjoy eternal life with God after the soul had departed the body.

 

 

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Anyone claiming to be a Christian and who forces their beliefs onto someone else, whether by force or otherwise, is not a true Bible believing Christian - guaranteed.

 

 

I presume here you include the politicians in certain states trying to implement various laws in accordance with their understanding of the Bible and against constitutionally entrenched rights of certain individuals.

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I'm not perfectly clear on the seemingly fine distinction between forcing one's religious beliefs on others through forced conversion versus through coercive legislation, especially in a country with a clear separation between church and state for precisely that reason, but I guess this is not really the forum for that discussion.

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I don't think it is appropriate to call people atheists on this blog. I went to church for years and really got nothing out of it. If you like going to church and it does something for you well then fine. But please do not go making big moral statements. Religion has resulted in the death and persecution of millions of people.

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Atheist or not, my faith is irrelevant, because you have (in another post) already preached about the dire fate of my eternal soul based our your interpretation of your own personal and private faith system, not mine.

 

Look, I get it. You think that the highly commercialised celebration of a historically pagan-based holiday that involves the imagery of ghouls, ghosts and that saucy little minx Harley Quinn is inappropriate and via some warped logic a direct pathway to Satan. But here's the thing, that's YOUR belief, not mine. Nor is it the belief of hundreds of millions of other people, including that of many of your fellow Christians. This is especially the case if you just happen to be one of the other 5 billion humans on this planet who do not happen to believe in Jesus Christ at all and where Satan doesn't even feature. Niether Hindus or Jews believe in Satan, so their celebration of Halloween isn't going to lead them to Satan in exactly the same way that a Christian eating beef or pork is not going to be led into the arms of Kali or the jaws of the Bugblatter Beast of Traal. It's a ridiculously self righteous idea at best and extremely condescending, insulting at worst.

 

I know that you have already said and you truly, deeply madly want to believe that what you are doing doesn't constitute forcing your beliefs on others, but here's the thing, that's exactly what you are in fact doing. You have consistently and meticulously recited from a scripture that YOU follow, chapter and verse, to a very large ethnically, culturally, spiritually diverse group of almost complete strangers with absolutely no regard or respect for their personal and private beliefs. You've deconstructed your gospel, explained your interpretation of these passages in great detail and how they apply to the world around you and how those "unbelievers" and fellow Christians alike who do not adhere to them or who stray from YOUR interpretations of YOUR beliefs are on some dire evil path to damnation and that they need to seek salvation! This is not 'sharing the word of God', this is practically the very text book definition of forcing your beliefs on others, short of dunking them in the river or putting a burning torch to their feet. I know for a fact that you would have an absolute conniption were a random Muslim to start quoting verses from the Quran at you and telling you in great detail how you are a sinner and an infidel and how you will suffer greatly at the hands of Allah for not following the words his Prophet Mohammed. So what makes you think that preaching fire and brimstone, the path to Satan and the eternal damnation of our heathen souls while thumping the Bible and quoting, chapter and verse, the word of YOUR god at us Hindu, Jewish, Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, Satanist and Sikh 'unbelievers' is any way different?

 

In your recent posts on this forum, you have crossed that fine but dangerous line between sharing your experiences as a person who has, through their faith, found a sense of purpose and community in their new country and the completely intolerable act of preaching scripture AT others and making broad, generally and sweeping statements and proclamations regarding their private beliefs, personal lifestyles and their respective fates based on your personally held beliefs and interpretations, not mine and not theirs! It is unacceptable, offensive, condescending, and highly inappropriate in this secular and Constitutional democracy we now call home. An extremely culturally diverse and open online forum of South Africans and Americans, like this one, is also no place for it and that kind of behavior and types of sermon should be reserved for other, more appropriate, online forums or private bible study groups where they are tolerated.

 

Please, don't get me wrong! I want to hear stories from my fellow South Africans here in the U.S. If you, as a stranger from a distant and unique land like South Africa, just so happen to have found comfort, acceptance and a new sense of purpose and belonging in your respective community after joining a Christian, Atheist, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, Satanic, Trekkie or foot fetish group, or if you are struggling to fit in, or make sense of the strange unique rituals, spirituality, celebrations, customs and cultures you have encountered since moving here, tell us about it! Tell ME about it! We want to hear all about it and your experiences. Especially if it's a foot fetish group, those crazy cats are all about cleanliness and good personal hygiene. But don't preach gospel and damnation at complete strangers! This is not the pulpit, a church, a shul, a temple, a mosque, a sacred stone circle, or the deck of the Starship Enterprise.

 

Shalom, God bless, peace be upon you, love and light, may the force be with, live long and prosper, and long days and pleasant nights traveler...

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Oscar, you should relax, that was only a question and not name calling or labeling of any kind. In my experience anyway, people who are atheist are generally very proud of it too. No harm caused or intended there, okay. (In fact, I admire the faith of atheists greatly, especially if they believe in evolution, because that means that they hold a greater faith than I do)

 

And as for “please do not go making any big moral statements”, shame on you. I can say what I want and I’ll allow anyone else to say what they want. That’s the beauty of freedom of speech and freedom of religion, isn’t it? And this (i.e. Spiritual Life) seems to be the appropriate forum to do just that. In fact, this topic was addressed to Christians very specifically, but seems to have drawn criticism from non-Chrstians including those who seem have issues with Texas, Texans or the politicians in Texas… No one compels anyone to read or agree with anything I or anyone else says here. Anyone should feel free to comment or ignore and move on if they disagree that much.

This forum is about Spiritual Life. I’m a Christian and will therefore share what I believe in here. If you’re of another faith (Muslim, atheist or whatever), feel free to start your own topic and share your beliefs, but you shouldn’t try to silence others when they do that.

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I would say it's more shame on you for trying to force your personal religious beliefs on everyone else.

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JumpingJasonFlash, I don’t understand why you bother replying at such length if you believe the Bible and Christian faith to be fallacy or myth. You seem offended by the fact that the Bible (which I quoted) teaches condemnation of the person who dies without having accepted the hand of grace of God that as extended to them during their entire lifetime.

 

Why take offense if you don’t even believe in such “rubbish”?

 

I’m perfectly fine with a Muslim on this forum who wants to tell me that I’m an infidel who will painfully suffer at the hands of his Allah, etc. I can't be bothered in the least by anything like that, because I know what I believe in. I will however have a problem with him if he tried to force me into a room and then recite his Quran verses at me day and night.

That’s NOT what I am doing here. Anyone has the freedom on this forum of deciding with their mouse-clicking finger what to visit, what to read and what to comment on. They can also decide to ignore it. It's that simple.

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You seem offended by the fact that the Bible (which I quoted) teaches condemnation of the person who dies without having accepted the hand of grace of God that as extended to them during their entire lifetime. Why take offense if you don’t even believe in such “rubbish”?

I'm not at all offended by the things you believe in because they're your personal beliefs, not mine. However, one does not need to believe in what is said to take exception to that which is said. For example, you don't believe that my admittedly flippant and incredible general remark about Texans was true or justified, but it clearly didn't stop it from bothering you even though Texans weren't the main subject of my commentary, now did it?

 

My point was that it is highly inappropriate to publicly pass judgement in such a forum on others, as you clearly have (and just did again I might add), under the pretext of speaking to fellow Christians or some other specific group based solely on YOUR personal beliefs and not theirs. You say that you were indeed speaking to Christians and that the rest of us 'unbelievers' could choose to ignore your sermons should we choose because we were not your intended audience, yet you have on a number of occasions knowingly or unknowingly made direct statements, references and proclamations concerning non-Christians, including and very specifically Atheists, Satanists, Pagans and Jews.

 

Your intended audience may have in fact been Christians only, this however does not indemnify you or absolve you of your responsibility to exercise caution and restraint when including non-Christians in your faith-based diatribes in a public forum such as this one. It would be akin to me spewing racist bile at a televised white supremacist rally and using the pretext that my words were for their ears only and can be easily ignored by others should they choose, as my defense when outsiders point out the highly inappropriate nature and context of my speech. That you are defiantly unaware of the fine line that exists between your Constitutional right to freedom of expression and speech in regards to celebrating your spirituality and personally held beliefs in private and the overt public Bible bashing exercises you have engaged in here is troubling to me.

 

Like I said above, this is not the platform for such behavior, no matter how much you may think it is both righteous or good or in the service of your lord and savior. None of your posts so far have discussed the joys of your spiritually, the sense of community you have found and the glorious freedoms you have been discovered in such an open and religiously tolerant society here in America. None of your posts thus far have been positive, uplifting, tolerant or inclusive of others, including your fellow Christians. Had they been I would have happily left you to it, but you have now consistently and systematically preached of doom and gloom facing Christians and non-Christians alike. In fact all three of your topics thus far have talked only of the eternal suffering awaiting non-believers, that not all Christians will go to heaven and how many are ultimately unworthy of God's grace, how celebrating Halloween is a path to evil and what a great opportunity you have, in turn, found it to preach to trick or treaters of their damnation should they continue to do so, and that salvation can be found only through your one true god and savior.

 

Does this offend me? No. That still doesn't mean it is right, or that it is appropriate or that it should be tolerated by me or others here...

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Well, if the admin of SAUSA.org sides with you on that one then I'll regretfully accept and respectfully abide by their decision. But until then, you can be assured that I'll continue to post here on topics of my choosing and of my interest. I won't be censured by you or anyone else who may want to restrict me on what I may or may not talk about. Nor will I be dictated to insofar the percentage that I should spend on "uplifting" vs. "doom and gloom" (as you perceive it), etc.

 

I have caused no one harm and I have forced no one to accept any of my beliefs. In fact, I welcome anyone to engage in civil debate like grown-ups and to share their opinions and why it might be different to mine. In the end, we can still all agree to disagree - that's what it is all about.

 

Stop playing the man and start playing the ball, shall we?

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Personally I think jason has been playing the ball, not the man. I saw no ad hominem insults of you - just issue with the content (the "ball").

 

For myself, I learnt years ago that it's a waste of time trying to engage faith-based beliefs with rational responses, so I'm not going to engage on any of that here. However: I do agree that one needs to be mindful of the diverse audience here when posting, especially if as is often the case, there are probably very many more people who read than who actually post. I suspect that because SAUSA is generally quite an inactive forum, most regulars read any new post regardless of which subforum it's in. So it's fair to assume anything one posts will be read by many....

 

Personally, I agree with whoever said religion is like a penis ... it's perfectly fine to have one and be proud of it and enjoy it, but when you take it out and start waving it in people's faces, it causes a problem.

 

....and that....is my last word on this matter. Peace!!

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