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Bill proposed that would impact the DV lottery

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6 hours ago, SJ272 said:

Of course there is a lot of bipartisan support for such too, just the way US politics works it never seems to get beyond the senate.

True! The problem with the DV Visa is it is currently tethered to Immigration reform as a whole package and the Senate is currently deadlocked on any immigration policy because there are too many poison pills and half-assed legislation from both sides for either side to budge an inch. As much as both sides may want the DV lottery gone, both sides want more comprehensive reform in the shape of an entire package more! So the status quo remains and may just remain until the cows come home... then again who knows what’s possible under this administration right now?

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On 11/1/2017 at 9:46 AM, Adder said:

Manhatten ISIS truck driver came into the States with a DV Visa. Expect some momentum on the scrapping of the Lottery. 

And today’s terribly sad news of the church shooting in Texas, plus the awful Vegas tragedy, just underscores that in fact white men with guns are far more dangerous to Americans than DV immigrants whether Muslim or not.

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21 hours ago, SJ272 said:

And today’s terribly sad news of the church shooting in Texas, plus the awful Vegas tragedy, just underscores that in fact white men with guns are far more dangerous to Americans than DV immigrants whether Muslim or not.

SJ272, Why you would answer my post with a racially charged response like that is beyond me..... There are plenty of mass shootings carried out in this Country by all types, if you care to open your eyes a bit..... I am surprised that administrators allow you to post crap like this on the website. 

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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SJ272 is merely referring to the fact that an overwhelming majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by White Men, and also that this fact is a big part of  current mainstream discourse on mass shootings.  Unfortunately, this may seem racially (and gender)  charged because of the facts that it is indeed WHITE MEN who disproportionately commit these sort of heinous acts   - CNN and Time in the last month alone:

Time:  http://time.com/4968842/one-undeniable-factor-in-gun-violence-men/
e.g. "White men are much more likely to own guns than non-whites, and the “super-owners” amassing arsenals of weapons are particularly likely to be white, male and conservative."

CNN:  http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/opinions/mass-shootings-white-male-rage-modan-opinion/index.html
e.g. "
out of 62 cases between 1982 and 2012 , 44 of the killers were white men " and "An over-affinity for guns among white men, dangerous against any other backdrop, gets defended as patriotism by many conservatives or even as white pride by those on the alt-right"

So, with the current administration, the focus won't be on addressing any legislation to try and curtail these mass shootings, but, to your point, Adder, possibly introducing legislation impacting the DV lottery for a really isolated case of 1 DV recipient radical.

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Malamute,

Disproportionate? How so? The US sported a white population of well over 70% between1982 and 2012. Of the 62 cases, 44 amounts to 70%. That's not disproportionate that's pretty much bang on. 

We all too readily seem to accept what we read in the Fake news these days of which CNN seem to be the biggest culprits. 

My point still stands that the DV visa will be targeted and that IMO the lottery is a stupid idea. Now, all of you, please stop with the racial blame game. There are no winners here. 

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“Fake news”? How many people died in Vegas? How many people died in Texas?

how many people died from the Uzbek guy in Manhattan?

Unless you think arithmetic is fake these days too. Sheesh.

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I agree with SJ272. if you take all the school shootings and other mass shootings it's mostly been by white males. 

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